Jon Lim: "I also rent out heavy equipment in Batam."
Kiki: "Wow, how many employees work for your company now?"
Jon Lim: "About 90 people."
Kiki: "Impressive! How did you search for scrap metal while being completely blind?"
Jon Lim: "I searched with my employees as far as Timika, Papua, at PT. Freeport. I looked for large quantities of scrap metal to ship to Germany. Those scraps were turned into Mercedes cars abroad."
Kiki: "Wow, what were the challenges of doing the work as a blind person?"
Jon Lim: "I didn't see it as a challenge. Whenever I met people, I'd never felt looked down upon. I was the buyer when purchasing items, and as a legal expert, I was the one resolving their issues."
Kiki: "So you don't find any challenges working as a blind person at all?"
Jon Lim: "There were many challenges. During school, I faced ridicule, but I don't feel any challenges at work. However, there were difficulties, for example, in crowded places, sometimes I felt overlooked because I can't see. I used to cope with that by smoking."
Kiki: "What helped you rise from adversity?"
Jon Lim: "I was risen by my difficult circumstances. I had to succeed."
